Giulia Rizzo
Pradeep Eranti
Mobility allowance
Hey,
Can anyone with a contract with the CNRS tell me if the mobility allowance appears on the payslip?
Asking because I' m not sure that I'm receiving the mobility allowance and I saw that some colleagues with contracts with the university have the mobility allowance listed on the payslip.
Thank you in advance!
Best regards,
Diogo
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Maybe you can ask to the RRHH employer. I work in CNRS as fellow and I asked them. They gave me all the information in detail. In my case, the allowance is included in the gross salary and it doesn't appear in the payslip as mobility allowance but it is already included
Hi Laura,
I tried to ask my CNRS delegation, but they keep ignoring my emails.
I also asked my HR department and they told me the mobility allowance is indeed included in my gross salary. However, I'm not in the mood to trust their word (or what CNRS tells them) since I had recent problems with CNRS. CNRS continuously refused to pay my tuition fees until I get the EU representatives involved (still waiting for the reimburse).
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Diogo
Hello Diogo,
IIn my case, the mobility allowance is on the payment list and it specify that it shouldnt be taxed. Something to keep in mind is that I am working at the CNRS but in fact, the University of Grenoble is the one that pays my salary. Is it possible that only on the pay list of employees who receive their salary directly from the CNRS have not listed it? In the case of your coleageues that have it on the list, are they also paid by the CNRS or the university?
I hope this information can helph you.
Best regards, Dania.
Hi Dania,
Thanks for your answer. I guess this is a CNRS thing. My colleagues are CNRS employees but they are paid by the University of Bordeaux. That's why they have it stated on their payslips.
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Diogo
Hello, I have a CNRS contract for an MSCA individual fellowship. As noted by others, the mobility allowance does not appear separately, but is included with in the gross salary or 'remuneration forfataire'. It thus becomes part of the net amount indicated on my payslip that is used each year to calculate tax.
In order not to pay tax on the mobility allowance, each year I ask my CNRS delegation to issue a certificate stating that the net amount on my payslip for December is in error, as it includes a mobility allowance that is tax-free (as per fiscal instruction 5F-14-07 n˚ 50 of 5 april 2007, and stating the correct amount of net revenue. More information on this subject and the relevant laws can be found here at https://www.mariecuriealumni.eu/posts/management-msca-grants-france-including-family-and-mobility-allowance).
It may be worth mentioning this, as although the CNRS are required to provide this certificate, they do not volunteer it.
Best, Daniel Praeg
Hi Daniel,
That's new to me. Thank you so much for this information. I'll ask them that document.
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Diogo
Hi Diogo,
which is your CNRS delegation, out of curiosity? If you need an example of a certificate, in order to persuade your delegation that it can (and must) be provided, let me know.
Best, Daniel
Dear all,
I am experiencing the exact same problems than Diogo at the CNRS. They did are applying all the taxes to the allowances and deny any possibility to negotiate.
Did you finally manage to change your situation Diogo?
My CNRS delegation is the LSCE.
Thanks!
Núria
Dear Nuria,
I am an ITN fellow, so probably there could be some differences, but today the Personnel Office wrote me that they have contacted the HR of the DR14-CNRS and that the HR said that SIRHUS, the system that manages the payment of the employees, is set to exclude the mobility allowance from the net à déclarer.
Which document do you use to see if they have taxed also the mobility allowance?
I would be interested in it or in the formulas that they/you use since the values that I am seeing in my payslip are still lower than expected. It does not really seem that the net mobility allowance is tax-free, but probably I am just using the wrong formulas.
Remember also that each institution can have different policies.
I quote below a reply regarding the mobility allowance from one French NCP, check also the link, maybe it can help you.
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French NCP:
As it is written in the Guide for applicants :
- The living allowance is a gross EU contribution to the salary costs of the researcher. Consequently, the net salary results from deducting all compulsory (employer/employee) social security contributions as well as direct taxes (e.g. income tax) from the gross amounts.
- The mobility and family allowances are fixed amounts, regardless of the country of recruitment, and may be taxable depending on the country in question.
Each country has their own policies concerning the management of the mobility allowance.
In France, the mobility allowance is exonerated from tax but there are some compulsory security charges contribution.
Moreover, each French institution has their own policies concerning the management of the mobility allowance :
- to include or not to include the mobility allowance in the salary ;
- to exonerate or not to exonerate the mobility allowance from the compulsory social security contributions during the first nine months of the project ;
- etc.,
As the living allowance, the family allowance results from deducting all compulsory social security contributions as well as direct taxes.
Therefore, I invite you to contact the HR service your host institution.
They could explain you in details the calculation.
Moreoever, I invite you to take a look to the following document : http://cache.media.education.gouv.fr/file/2019/33/7/Salary_VF_1090337.pdf
You will find some explanation about how the French salary is calculated.
Please note that the example is only given to illustrate the calculation.
It is not necessary what you will receive at the end.
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Best regards,
Luca
Hi,
to follow up here (especially as we are supposed to fill for taxes in France now), I checked my payslips (I am MSCA-IF through the CNRS): for most of the months they did indeed add the mobility allowance in the "net à déclarer", but they modified my December payslip to remove all of them (so that my total is what it should be for the year). I am confused why they are not doing this every month, but at least I calculated that it is globally correct for the year 2019. I am not sure if they did this because I specifically asked for them to check, or because they do this at the end of the year by default.
Also, be careful that the mobility allowance is taxed for "employeur" taxes. The only taxes that do not apply are the personal taxes (so that it's not as easy as removing 500 euros per months. After the first taxes, it's about 280 euros a month I would say)
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Marine
In Franc or in my case the mobility allowance is not listed on payslip. Because it’s an allowance that won’t be taxed. So it’s processed separately via your lab finance admin and the EU rep of your university. In other countries allowances is taxed but not in France.