MSCA experience and job hunting

3 min read Jul 26, 2017
I would like to share with you a few thoughts about the programme and future career expectations. It is true that an MSCA programme is quite prestigious and sought after by many candidates and institutions alike. It offers a PhD, a great pay and industry placements. I was personally very lucky to be in such a position and work on a very industry relevant topic I have now concluded my time as an MSCA ESR and faced with the dilemma of staying in academia or going to the industry. Due to the nature of both the MSCA and the project I joined, I am particularly excited about the latter . However, the industry doesn't seem to think likewise. I was turned down from a position today because of the salary. When asked, I mentioned that my expectations were 40-45K gross. Its seems a lot for a first job but then again I am an Electrical and Computer Engineer who was studying for his Diploma for 6 years + 3.5 years of PhD. So I am offended if in their mind I am compared against an engineer who comes out of school of 3 years study. 9.5 years now and I still cannot consider myself an engineer, still learning and probably will for the rest of my life. What stroke me the most was the fact that they took the choice of joining or not due to limited compensation out of my hands. They didn't say "we can offer this much", they said "you are too expensive for as". I understand that these are difficult times we live in, but then again accountants are offered way too much for what they produce. At the end of the day, I still am an engineer, I still provide solutions for products where everyone else would fail (and by everyone I mean people who follow the common path) and look towards maximizing the company's profit (as this is what an engineer does, provides the best solution from a techno-economical point of view). Maybe in the UK they don't have quite the same definition of an engineer like the rest of the world, as I've seen people declaring being an engineer but not following the same style of studies as in my country. For example, as an electrical and electronics engineer I have a broad knowledge of the different stages from designing a transistor, to forming gates and amplifiers, to logic units, to processors, to low level machine language, up to high level OS structures. I believe to be a "jack of all trades and master of none" and that is exactly what this company was looking for. I'm not the best violinist, but I if he's sick I am his best replacement, or the pianist's, or ever the conductor's. This is how I see an engineer from a music event's perspective. Somebody might say that I don't have industrial experience for such a salary. At this point I wonder how much "industry related" is MSCA, when it is advertised as such but not considered like that from the industry itself. Did we get false hopes when we signed for it? Or is it an issue with the industry that just sees PhD and assumes I am another over-glorified graduate, fresh out of campus? Your thoughts on this, if you please.

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Markus B. Fröb

A friend of mine has had a similar experience with a UK company (he's not an electric, but an electronic engineer). He was invited for an interview, given positive feedback and asked to solve a problem of the company to show his skills, which took him two weeks, and also got positive feedback. Afterwards, he was promised that the decision to hire would be made soon, but the corresponding deadline was gradually shifted to later and later times. In the end, he got a position in Spain two weeks after (without speaking any Spanish, he's only learning it now). And the UK company got two weeks of work for free. So I don't think the issue is with you, 40-45K is not too high a salary for a STEM PhD. Take also into account that the British government has not issued any definite statement about the fate of EU citizens after Brexit. The only thing they promise is that EU citizens will be able to make an application for permanent residency, without any guarantee of the outcome. Even those who already had applied and have had permanent residency granted to them will have to apply again!

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Yes, that is another valid point. Up to this stage, whenever I am asked about my working rights  (which lets face it, it is a bit offensive to ask engineers and scientists that) I state as a joke that this is up to you; depending on how the UK treats Europeans, I might need or not a visa. In most cases, people find it funny, as I suppose it is something every UK based company considers. Considering the circumstances when I first came to the UK, I have gathered 3 years of active contribution to the british society. What's left? 2 more years? If I am judged in this way, then this is ridiculous!